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The AIH Transcript for June 20, 2017

Hosts: Carol Off and Jeff Douglas

STORIES FROM THIS EPISODE

Prologue

CAROL OFF: Hello, I'm Carol Off.

JEFF DOUGLAS: Good evening, I'm Jeff Douglas. This is As It Happens.

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CO: A victory and a loss. After being knocked out in Edmonton, heavyweight Tim Hague dies of his injuries. Tonight, the man who landed that fateful punch tells us how his moment of triumph turned to horror.

JD: After a water main breaks in Longueuil, Quebec, most affected residents are facing wet basements and soggy cardboard boxes. Our guest has lost a lifetime of her artwork.

CO: Supervision and cyber vision. I'll speak with Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale about new national security legislation, which will change domestic oversight and empower Canada's intelligence agency to launch cyber-attacks overseas.

JD: Movie violations. The U.S. Justice Department sets out to recover more than half-a-billion dollars in assets, including a Picasso and the rights to two Hollywood films in a corruption scandal that stretches from Malaysia to L.A.

CO: The truckest truck that ever trucked. Whatever truck you have it's less than half the truck that Bula Matari is. And since it's for sale, we'll find out more about just how much truck that truck is. Spoiler alert: it's the most tuck.

JD: Careful! And… rejecting a call to straighten up and fry right. Belgium's tourism minister says the EU has no business trying to change the way his fellow citizens cook their fried potatoes. And establishes himself as a brave frite-dom-fighter. As It Happens, the Tuesday edition. Radio that advises the EU, as the old Belgian saying goes, “let the chips fall where there's mayo.”

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Part 1: Boxing death, security bill: Ralph Goodale, Bula Matari

Boxing death

Guest: Adam Braidwood

JD: Last Friday, Edmonton Boxer Tim Hague took a beating. And the pain did not end when he lost the bout. After being knocked down four times in less than two rounds, Mr Hague landed in hospital in critical condition, having sustained a traumatic brain injury. And on Sunday, he died. Adam Braidwood was Tim Haig's opponent in that fight. We reached Mr. Braidwood in Victoria.

CO: Adam, when and how did you learn that Tim Hague was dead?

ADAM BRAIDWOOD: I knew myself after I hit him. Like I said, I did a little celebration. It was pretty halfhearted. And then I waited on my knees for him to move, and I saw him lying there lifeless, and I knew. And I went to helped him up, and I carried him to the corner. And you know I said something to him. He said to me and I could just see he was not all there. He was slumped over. And then he pulled me back and actually said something else when I walked away, and you know I just I saw, I knew.

CO: And you’re at s moment when you’ve just won a fight. You want to celebrate; it's a moment of victory. How were you feeling when you sensed what had happened to Tim? You know, it was difficult. Tim was my friend. And you know obviously we're not close friends, but it’s all a brotherhood and sisterhood in the sport. And when you see somebody fall like that, and you see somebody struggling to hold on to life like that it's a pretty sinking feeling in your heart. And you know my heart goes out to his family.

CO: Should he have been in the ring with you?

AB: You know that's not for me to say. It's easy for people who do not fight, who are not involved in the fight business, to say he shouldn’t have been in there, this and that. Tim wanted to fight. He’s a fighter. He has over 30 fights experience. He was actively training. He was in good shape. And it does not matter how healthy you are, how many concussions you have, what sanctioning body you go through, who you train with. It doesn't matter how healthy you are, if you get hit hard enough and fall hard enough, you can die in this sport. And that's just the way it is. You know he wanted to fight. And if his fight had been stopped early in the first round, or in the corner, Tim would've asked for another fight with me because that's how he is. He wanted to win that fight, and he was still fighting right to the end.

CO: When you picked him up off the canvas and took him to his corner, what did you say to him?

AB: You know that was kind of between me and Tim, and you know and the people who were there. And you know I'll say this, I told him I loved him. And you know I'm going to keep fighting. And I was rubbing his chest like you do to someone who's overdosing because I’ve been through that as well. And you know I just wanted to see a reaction. I wanted to see him wake up because he wasn't saying anything; he wasn't really there. And you know and then he said something to me, you know?

CO: Can you tell us what he said to you?

AB: No, I'm not going to get into all that. That’s between us.

CO: At one point in the fight did you feel that he wasn't there? That he was slipping and he was losing his concentration?

AB: It never really happened because he came out swinging after every time I knocked him down. You know he came back up and he kept fighting. So at no point was I was like OK, I can drop my hands and you know just kind of walk through this fight if. I had done that he would have hit me and knocked me out.

CO: You knocked him down four times.

AB: I did. And you know here's the thing, he got back up and his legs were underneath him. I could hear the ref ask Are you OK to fight? And he said yes. He didn't hesitate once.

CO: you say that you know we can't judge that the sport is something that unless you're in it you don't understand the dynamic, and that others trying to judge what should have happened or could have happened they don't they don't know. But at some point do you think that somebody should have either prevented that fight from going on or stopped it while it was going on. I mean are you thinking anybody had the responsibility to make sure that fight didn't happen?

AB: I think that every fighter should have a team around them that monitors them throughout training camp. You have to have somebody around you monitoring you and talking to you on a daily basis. I don't know if Tim had that? And you know he might have had that, and he might have been fine all training camp.

CO: But he had had previous concussions. There are those who said that the two of you were mismatched. You were far more advanced than he was. It was just not a fight that should have happened. What do you say to that?

AB: Tim had three times as many fights as I did. He’s knocked out a lot of people himself. The concussions, I don't really know the extent of all that. But he was found fit to fight. He wanted to fight. And he was asked many times if he wanted this fight? If he wanted to continue to fight? and he did. And so you know if people want to start you know saying we have to do this, we have to do that in our sport then they need to stop people from motorcycle racing, they to stop people from jumping out of planes, they just stop people from bungee jumping because, in my opinion, those are all a lot more dangerous than what we do.

CO: Can you tell us a bit about your friend? About Tim Hague?

AB: Tim Hague, if you called Tim in the middle of the night and needed a ride he'd be there for you. Everybody who knows Tim, and had a very small amount of friends, and I can't say one of his close friends, but you know we train together and we have a lot of mutual friends. Tim was a good guy. He had a big heart. I know he loved his job and it was very important to him to educate young people. And you know I think that speaks volumes about a man. And you know you know he had a son. You know it's up to the community and his family now to raise that boy right. And I think that you know people need to step up and make donations to that Go Fund Me account. So you know that child has all the chance in the world to not become a fighter.

CO: What did you say to Tim Hague’s family? I know you had a chance to speak with them.

AB: You know I just I thanked them for offering their support. That meant everything to me.

CO: In what way did they offer support?

AB: They just said we know this isn't your fault. And you know Tim wanted to fight, and that was about it really. It was just them offering their support. Saying you know we love you, and we hope you get better through all this.

CO: Have other people blamed you?

AB: Oh yeah. Yeah, but here's the thing, the internet provides a platform for ignorant people to voice their opinion that endorse nothing. But you know Tim and I, we spoke before hand. All the trash and all that you know was nothing. You know like we both knew what we were getting into and he would have done it to me. And so if people need that sort of platform to feel some sort of validation and move forward and be happy in life to rip on the other people that they don't know I say go right ahead. But take that same time to go to the Go Fund Me page. You know it takes a real person — a real human being — to go and take time and donate their hard-earned money to you know boy who needs it.

CO: Adam, I appreciate speaking to you. I know this is this is a difficult time, but thank you.

AB: No problem.

JD: we reached Boxer Adam Braidwood in Victoria, BC.

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Security bill: Goodale

Guest: Ralph Goodale

JD: It is the biggest overhaul of Canada's public security legislation in more than 30 years. This afternoon, Canada's Public Safety Minister introduced a massive new bill, which is going to have sweeping effects. Not just on CSIS and the RCMP, but on all federal agencies involved in surveillance or security in any way. And that includes an independent commissioner charged with overseeing the actions of both CCS and the cyber-spies at the Communications Security Establishment. There will also be a brand new super agency — a civilian watchdog that is supposed to review all security activities conducted by the Canadian government. Ralph Goodale is Canada's Public Safety Minister. We reached him in Ottawa.

CO: Minister Goodale, you're going to set up an unprecedented civilian oversight of Canada's security agencies. But this agency is this going to oversee decisions before they're acted on? Or is it going to be looking into problems after the fact only?

RALPH GOODALE: Well, we actually have three agencies, Carol. To start with, today actually, the committee of parliamentarians passed the Senate, so it's now on its way to becoming law. And that's a new dimension in the architecture of our scrutiny process for national security and intelligence matters. That's the old Bill C-22 that was finally passed today. But in the legislation I introduced today — the new legislation — C-59. There are two elements of scrutiny that are applied. The National Security and Intelligence Review Agency takes the old agency, the Security Intelligence Review Agency, and makes it apply to the whole of the government of Canada.

CO: OK, I know that. But I'm asking is it going to be a body that oversees decisions before they're acted on? Or is it something that looks after the fact?

RG: It does, like the existing SERC, the new review agency is review after the fact.

CO: But don’t you need something before the decisions? Isn’t that something asked for by the people? That it should be something that overseas decisions before they're made?

RG: In part, but what we've added to this is the new Office of the Intelligence Commissioner. And this will be a retired or supernumeraries superior court judge, who will have the authority to review activities before they happen. And to give advice and counsel about whether they are reasonable and appropriate. And if the intelligence commissioner says no that a certain activity is not approved, then that activity cannot be undertaken. There are also some oversight elements in the committee of parliamentarians. So between the committee of parliamentarians and the new Office of the Intelligence Commissioner, there are significant new elements of advice and counsel before the fact, and real time oversight that has never existed before.

CO: I know that one of the important things about this bill is that you promised during the election that you would deal with the controversial bill C-51 from the Harper government that was considered to be quite sweeping and that you were going to narrow definitions in that and get it more into balance. You're saying between rights and security. But one part of it I'm just wondering about is that you have detained the decision to disrupt a terrorist threat. And this was something that was of concern to people because it seemed to breach the Charter rights. How are you going to protect Charter rights in the course of disrupting terrorist threats?

RG: Well, the very specific commitment that we've made in the platform was to guarantee that all Canadian Security Intelligence Service warrants respect the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. And that was actually the first bullet in our platform document. And that's exactly what this legislation does. It limits the type of warrants that CISIS can apply for. It requires CISIS to consider the other alternatives before they go this route, including what police services and others might be able to do to deal with an immediate threat. And then it requires that CISIS seek approval from the federal court and assurance that what they're proposing to do is in fact consistent with the Charter. If it is not consistent with the Charter, if the federal court says no, then they are prohibited from doing it.

CO: This is very key because it because in the bill C-51, a court could actually sanction or give the blessing to violate the Charter. So is that not possible? There is no wiggle room there at all?

RG: No, it's very clear in in the new section in the legislation if CISIS wants to pursue those types of activities that are enumerated in that particular section. It has to go and ask the federal court is what we are proposing to do consistent with the Charter? The federal court will rule yes or no. And if the answer is no, then the activity cannot be undertaken.

CO: The overall thrust of this document seems to be that you are narrowing the definition — contracting — the understanding of what is terrorism to try and get this balance. But we're seeing in the United States, under President Trump, a widening of the net in his approach to terrorism. People from Muslim countries are banned, and visas are denied, aggressive screening, and more detentions. Are we going in the opposite direction? Are you looking to create a more independent security policy from that of the United States?

RG: Well, we have a very integrated relationship with the Five Eyes allies: Canada, the U.S., the U.K. Australia, and New Zealand. And, in fact, all the other four are going to be here for important Five Eyes meetings at the beginning of next week. That relationship is good and solid, and it works well.

CO: But are you departing from it and your policy? Are you seeing a more independent policy when it comes to security?

RG: Well, we're making sure of two things. First of all, that we can function efficiently and effectively with our allies because that alliance is very important not just to Canadian security, but to global security. So we're fully playing our part there. At the same time, we want to make sure that Canadian priorities are recognized in Canadian rights and freedoms are properly protected. We've said from the very beginning of this exercise we've got two objectives: keep Canadians safe and safeguard Canadian rights and freedoms. And this legislation sets the constitutional and legal framework to make sure that that will happen.

CO: All right, we'll leave it there. Mr. Goodale, thank you.

RG: Thank you very much.

JD: Ralph Goodale is Canada's Minister of Public Safety. We reached him in Ottawa.

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Bula Matari ad

Guest: Kathryn Egan

JD: If it were a transformer, it would never change into a giant humanoid robot. It wouldn't have to. It's perfect already. It is called the “Bula Matari”, which means “Breaker of Rocks” in the African Bantu language. It is a camper-truck-van-thing that looks like it just drove off the set of a “Mad Max” movie after having arrived inside a meteorite or something. And you can see pictures of the jaw-droopingly impressive vehicle on our website: www.cbc.ca/aih. Or if you think you can handle it, you can buy it. It is for sale on Craigslist. It can be yours for just 30,000 U.S. dollars. Kathryn Egan is the person who placed the Craigslist ad to sell the Bula Matari. We reach for in Morro Bay, California.

CO: Kathryn, we've told our listeners where they can go to take a look at this vehicle. But maybe you can describe it maybe for those who are driving, or even those who are following on their screens at home.

KATHRYN EGAN: I will. It's a Ford 350 diesel crew-cab. And my husband built what I guess you would describe it as kind of that armor car look on the back of it. It has a skylight up on top. The car sits in the back. This was kind of his dream to carry all of his toys with him when he went.

CO: And this is what the Craigslist ad that you posted as describing it as “one of a kind”, and it certainly is. You said that it was built to carry a Porsche Spyder — like a small car — to pull a 30-foot sailboat, carry a motorcycle in front, have an 18 foot kayak with mast and sail on top, bicycles on the rear, while functioning as a camper with a propane stove, refrigerator, microwave, hot water tank, air conditioning unit, wood fireplace, and sleeping room for four adults. That's extraordinary.

KE: Yeah. He had fun building this, and that he also built the 550 Porsche Spyder. And we built our sailboat, and we sailed it to Hawaii and back. So he was definitely a tinkerer, a dreamer, and made some of his dreams come true.

CO: Why is it called the Bula Matari?

KE: Well, if you look at it on Craigslist it has that kind of a tough look about it. And one of his readings he read about Henry Morgan Stanley, who wrote about the Breaker of Rocks, which is what Bula Matari means.

CO: Did you go on many trips in the Bula Matari with your husband?

KE: You know, we are on the Central Coast and we went up our favorite spots were up at Kirk Creek, up Highway 1. We've been as far as Oregon and the Southwest with the vehicle.

CO: Now on one of those vehicle review sites where people write about cars or vehicles they find that are interesting. The description of the Bula Matari describes the interior as “a bit of a love nest”. What was it like traveling around with this?

KE: Well, you know it was interesting. I think that the truck kind of smells of testosterone. I mean really, it's just a boy toy. And so luckily for me, I was used to living on our sailboat, which we lived on for several years. So the small space I was used to and we’re avid backpackers, so it was great. We had definitely a lot of fun and it.

CO: It sounds like your sailboat had a bit of a different hormone mix?

KE: It did. It did. Yeah. But this was his toy, you know? And he loved it. He had this little process he went through. He would think about it, and do some research. And then he would draw it up, mock it out, build it, and then think about it some more. And if he didn't like it he redid it.

CO: Why have you decided to sell Bula Matari?

KE: Well, my husband passed away a few years ago. And it needs to go on and have more adventures. And so I'm looking for the right person that has mechanical capabilities, and is a dreamer like my husband.

CO: But he died a few years ago. Did it take you a while before you could sell it? Did you hold on to it for a while?

KE: You know I definitely did. It’s sitting out in front of our home. And when I open the front door there it is, and it just reminds me so much of… it’s just totally Brian. Yeah. But it's time. It's time to move on.

CO: I understand as you traveled around, it was kind of a conversation piece?

KE: Oh my gosh. It was it was impossible to fix breakfast, lunch, and dinner and have my husband arrive to eat it because he was always talking to someone about the truck. Or we'd be in the middle of a meal and there'd be a tap on the side and he loved to talk about it.

CO: Now does this Porsche Spyder — this car — does it come with the vehicle?

KE: No. That has gone to my husband’s son.

CO: And the sailboat you built?

KE: No, I still have the boat.

CO: So someone has to accessorize it for themselves?

KE: They absolutely have to have their own toys.

CO: Kathryn, do you have any idea, any thought, any picture in your head of the perfect person or couple? or anyone who would show up and say that's for me?

KE: Well, I do. My husband had this twinkle in his eye, and I keep looking for that. He was this person who was waiting for the sun to come up in the morning, so that he could go out and work on the truck. And I think that enthusiasm for the truck is one of the things that I am looking for. And someone who you know can continue the adventures and the dream.

CO: Well Kathryn, let us know if and when you sell this. I'm sure that the right person with the right twinkle is going to show up.

KE: Well, thank you so much. I appreciate your interest.

CO: Good talking to you.

KE Bye bye.

JD: We reached Katheryn Egan in Morro Bay, California. And if you would like to see the monstrous, glorious Bula Matari, go to our website: www.cbc.ca/aih.

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Pee Power

JD: If your bladder is full and you're at the Glastonbury Festival, and you want to know who's playing on what stage — well urine luck. That was the first of several pee jokes of will power the next 90 seconds of this program. In much the same way that pee itself will power display boards at this weekend's enormous festival in the UK. Glastonbury runs from Wednesday through Sunday, and will feature dozens of acts on a dizzying array of stages. Also many attendees will drink a potentially dizzying amount of beer and cider. And the British technology called Pee Power will help people rid themselves of the latter while gaining information about the former. In two locations on the festival grounds, there will be giant urinals capable of accommodating 40 people. These urinals have taken what might have been a problem: powering information displays, and turned it into a solution. The Pee Power’s fuel cells contain microbes, which consume urine and convert it into energy, which, in turn, is converted to electricity, which will power the displays. It is expected that these cells will process a thousand liters a day. So as long as people keep going, so will the display panels. That is just three pee jokes in a-minute-and-twenty-seconds; I'm not generating enough power. The lights are dimming in here. The panels will be live streaming in more ways than one. The scientists and the audience members are all whiz kids. Something…leaked information.

Part 2: Flooded art, fries flap

Flooded art

Guest: Louise Rouleau

JD: A major water main burst in Longueuil, Quebec early today. The flooding caused 24 homes to be evacuated. And since the water is still cut off throughout the area, many are unable to return to their homes. And so it was bad for everyone. But for Louise Rouleau, who goes by the name “L’Or”, the flooding was a disaster. Because Ms. Rouleau is an artist, and her studio and her gallery are in her basement. Now, almost all of her work is gone. We reached Louise Rouleau in Longueil.

CO: Louise, at what point did you realize that your house was filling up with water?

LOUISE ROULEAU: It was about midnight and the neighbor came and rang the door. And we just saw this wave of water coming down the garage. And it was impressive. I’ve never seen anything like that. So I slammed the door. I ran downstairs and saw my studio being flooded and so quickly. It took just a few seconds and this was about a metre high. Everything was moving around, everything was in water, and everything was just floating.

CO: When you opened the door I mean you realized there wasn't some torrential downpour of rain. What did you think was happening?

LR: It was not raining, so I just looked around, and I saw that there was police and the fire department was there too. And they came to us and they said that it was a broken pipe. So from there, we had to wait and it took them a while because they could not close the water. So it was just pouring out and coming down into all the houses that we have on this part of the street. So it was awful.

CO: And what do you have? Describe what your basement studio is?

LP: So I paint there. I give courses there, workshops and coaching. And on the other side is a gallery space. There are a lot of paintings and there's a lot of drawings and material. I was speechless looking at that. My paintings were floating. And the only thing I could do was cry because it takes a lifetime to produce pieces and to have enough knowledge and enough practice. It was like my whole life going away in one second.

CO: Wow! And anything left? I mean could you recover any of your artworks that were not in the studio or in the water?

LP: Yes. I had a few paintings on the wall, so they were not touched by water and the ones that I am exhibiting right now in Chicago because I've been invited for four months for a solo exhibit. And those are the pieces that are safe right now. That's my last production, and tomorrow is going to be a big task because we have to make a list of every pastel, every pencil, pen, felt tip ink, water colour, and so many things that I have in my studio.

CO: You're doing that for the insurance, right? Will there be insurance that will cover the value of your work?

LP: I wish, but no I don't think so. Because the companies don't tend to insure artists because like they say they cannot evaluate the value of an art piece. I'm not Picasso, so they cannot give a value to my paintings. And it would be you know so expensive to insure pieces, so most companies — and all the companies that I contacted — don't want to do that. They don't do it.

CO: Now, if you could, what value would you put on the work that you lost?

LP: Oh my god, I think today everybody has asked me that question. I know it could be a hundred-thousand-dollars.

CO: And did you have any of your other things? I mean you do have mementos, things that can't be replaced even if their insurance covered it? Did you lose those kinds of things as well?

LR: My first reflex was to grab my portfolio because It’s my articles in the journals and everything, photos over the years. And my first reflex was to take those because I thought if this goes away well then there won't be any souvenirs.

CO: So you have photographs of your paintings and reviews and writing about them, but you don't have the paintings anymore?

LR: That’s the thing.

CO: Oh Louise, I’m so sorry.

LR: At least I can look at the journals.

CO: And that’s your connection with all that work. It’s just images of them.

LR: Yes and not just that, I have children and you always want to leave something for your children. For me that will be my legacy, so I guess I'm going to still paint. Hopefully I will, but in time because now it's going to be impossible for a few weeks or a few months, until everything is solved.

CO: And I know it's early stages, but you're thinking about rebuilding? Starting again?

LR: I always say that because you know some people are a drug addict or alcohol addict, my addiction is my art. It's all I am, and I've been doing drawings since I'm a child. And I cannot live without that; this is all my life. So for sure I'll paint again and I'll start over again. But it's hurtful.

CO: Louise, I'm so sorry.

LR: Thank you, but at least I’m safe and my husband too and my mother. At least it’s that.

CO: I'm glad to hear that. Louise, thank you for speaking with us, and again, I'm so sorry for your losses of your paintings.

LR: Well, thank you for having me. It touches me a lot. Thank you.

CO: Take care.

JD: Louise Rouleau is a painter; she lost most of her life's work after a water main break flooded her Street overnight. We reached her in Longueuil.

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Chilliwack Barber

JD: Joe Majercsak worked as a barber for decades. And recently, he decided to pack up his scissors and his clippers and retire. But instead of closing up his barber shop in Chilliwack, BC, he decided to pass on the business to Hane Al Hashesh as a gift. Mr. Al Hashesh is a Syrian refugee. He arrived in Chilliwack with his family over a year ago. Earlier today, Mr. Al Hashesh and Mr. Majercsak spoke with CBC's Stephen Quinn. And here is part of that conversation — beginning with Hane Al Hashesh speaking about the work he used to do in Syria.

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HANE AL HASESH: I was a barber for 15 years.

STEPHEN QUINN: OK.

HA: And I worked in Jordan for three years, but it was under the table. Like it's not legal to work in Jordan when you're a refugee.

SQ: Right.

HA: It was terrible. I had to run all the time. But now in Canada, I own my business for free as a gift from a good man. He decided to give it to me for free to support my family.

SQ: Tell me about how he did that, Hane. How did Joe break the news to you?

HA: He sent a customer who knew me from one year ago. He found me in another barber shop I was working there. And he said Joe wants to talk to you and give you an opportunity to start work again. So if you are interested just let me know and I will give Joe your phone number. I said absolutely, I would like to hear from Joe what he wanted because I thought he's going to sell it to me. But he said no, it's not for sale. It's a gift for you. So I waited until Joe talked to me.

SQ: Joe, why did, first of all, gift your shop? And secondly, gift it to Hane?

JOE MAJERCSAK: My dad was a Hungarian refugee, and when refugees come to Canada, I know like Hane said there are hardships to find work. And when you come from a war-torn country like that and you come to a beautiful country like Canada, and it still is a struggle for most refugees to find employment. And there's language barriers and what have you. And I knew that there was lots of struggles here. Hane has five kids. He has five mouths to feed — seven including his. So I just gave him a real leg up. We need people like Hane, Hane's a great guy. The first 10 minutes that I met him the connection was there. So he's going to succeed in the industry. He's going to succeed in Chilliwack. And it's going to be wonderful for him as a Canadian.

JD: That was Joe Majercsak speaking with the CBC's Stephen Qinn, earlier today on “The Early Edition” out west. They were also joined by Hane Al Hasesh. Mr. Majercsak recently retired from cutting hair, and gave his barbershop to Mr. Al Hashesh.

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Frites Flap

Guest: Ben Weyts

JD: Ben Weyts believes his country is under attack. Mr. Weyts is the Flemish Tourism and Culture Minister. And he is taking the lead in defending Belgium against the European Union proposal that would change the way Frites are fried. The frite, otherwise known as the French fry, has been refined to an art form in Belgium. But the Belgian government believes that art form could soon be destroyed. We reached Minister Weyts in Dworp, Belgium.

CO: Minister Weyts, first of all, why are frites so important in Belgium?

BEN WEYTS: It's very nice to eat and we eat a lot of them. I eat them I think twice a week. And we have a special way of preparing them. What we do is we take them raw, and that means that we bake them twice. We fry them, first of all, at a lower temperature — about 150 degrees Celsius — when they are raw. Then, they are dunked twice in fat of increasing heat. For example, 160 or 170 degree Celsius.

CO: Right, the first time is to cook them and the second round in the hot fat is to make what if anyone has ever had frites in Belgium know are the crispest fries with the most creamy insides, right?

BW: Yeah. They should be soft on the inside, and crispy and golden on the outside with enough fat to make you sea salt stick.

CO: So what is the European Union proposing to do? Why do they want to change?

BW: Well, the European Union is talking about the fight against acrylamide. Acrylamide is a cancer causing elements that can exist whenever you fry potatoes at a large temperature.

CO: Is that not a concern to you?

BW: That is certainly a concern. But then, the European Commission suggested that we should just blanch the fries before frying them, but there are other ways to do so. For example, we can use a lower temperature when you find them because the acrylamide only exists whenever you fry your fries at a high temperature. So you can use lower temperatures or you can use, for example, better storage of your potatoes. So there are different ways to fight acrylamide than just two to introduce or to impose the blanching of the fries.

CO: And now blanching means to parboil, to boil them briefly in water, is that right?

BW: Blanching is indeed boiling them for a very short period in water. That takes away a lot of taste.

CO: Right, but that's what they do in other countries, not Belgium.

BW: In other countries for example, The Netherlands, France, Germany they already do that and that's why our situation is kind of exceptional.

CO: Their argument is that in using your method and not parboiling them as you say, the cancer causing agent — this acrylamide — may be poisoning children with your French fries.

BW: No, we've been doing it for about 100 years, so nobody complained about it, and the risk is only very, very, small. And you can avoid acrylamide by using lower temperature to fry your fries the first time and the second time.

CO: Now, what have you done to raise your concerns with the European Union?

BW: Well, now there is a very specific procedure that is being organized by the European Commission, so you can just comment on their legislation, on their proposals. And everybody can. So every European citizen can express their concerns about the about the proposal. And that's just what I did. I said really guys; watch it because this is a culinary tradition. We very much stick to that to that tradition. We adore our fries the way we make them. But just let us do so for the next 100 years because the last 100 years there wasn't a problem. Why should there be a problem now?

CO: How passionate are people in your country about their frites and how they’re prepared?

BW: Well, the reactions because I sent a letter to the European Commission as well and the reactions of the Flemish people. I think they'll support me.

CO: So Belgium is 100 per cent behind you and your frite fight?

BW: It might not be 100 per cent, but I should think 90 per cent. And an opposition of about 10 per cent that says what it this all about? Well, this is about our culture and tradition and we want to keep it.

CO: Now if people are that passionate about it, how far will you take the fight? I mean we've seen the UK leave the European Union. Maybe you have had to have a “Frexit” if they have a ban on frites from Belgium?

BW: I’ll try to do everything in every way possible to avoid that the blanching will be imposed. And I think the European Commission and the spokesman of the European Commission he expressed that today that he understood the concern. I think they'll be very cautious.

CO: And you're making everybody hungry with your descriptions, Minister Weyts. And so everyone has to go and get some frites now.

BW: Yeah, OK. Enjoy them.

CO: Thank you very much. Bye bye.

BW: Goodbye. Thank you.

JD: Ben Weyts is the Flemish tourism minister. We reached him in Dworp, Belgium. And you can find more on that story on the As It Happens website: www.cbc.ca/aih.

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From Our Achieves: sourtoe cocktail

JD: As cocktails go it's pretty simple: Pour out one generous shot of hard liquor, ideally Yukon Jack. Add one severed well-preserved human big toe, knock back the shot, let the pickled digit tickle your lips as you drink, do not swallow the digit It is known as the Sourtoe Cocktail” and it is the signature drink at Dawson City's Downtown Hotel. Or at least it was. Yesterday, the Yukon bar announced the toe has been stolen. It is not the first time trouble's been a foot at the bar. Back in 2013, we spoke to Terry Lee, the bar’s “Toe Captain”, after one eager drinker stepped up to “Take the Toe”, as it's called, and ended up swallowing the toe whole. That drinker paid a $500 fine for his misdeed. And then back in 1980, As It Happens traced the tradition back to riverboat captain Dick Stevenson. Captain Stevenson created the drink after he found a preserved toe in a cabin he bought from quote, “a couple of rum runners, trapper,s and prospectors.” Here is Captain Stevenson speaking to former As It Happens host Dennis Trudeau.

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DICK STEVENSON: I'd heard the toe was in there when I was cleaning out. Sure enough it was in an empty pickle jar was a toe rattling around.

DENNIS TRUDEA: Where did the toe come from?

DS: They used to run rum during the probation days between the Yukon and into Alaska. And on one trip they were wearing mugs and they got an overflow. That’s water underneath the snow. The guy’s foot got wet, froze his big toe, gangrene set in. His brother passed out and he nerve enough to cut that toe off, so he shot it off at a 30-30 rifle.

DT: And they kept the tow?

DS: They kept the toe as a souvenir. It was sitting at a hotel, and we dreamed up this cocktail. We thought we would do it for real. We dropped a human big toe in a glass of champagne and downed the glass of champagne. We call it the Sourtoe Cocktail.

DT: Champagne and toe?

DS: ummm hum. But you weren’t supposed to swallow the toe, which unfortunately happened this summer.

DT: Somebody swallowed the toe?

DS: Yeah.

DT: How do they feel about that?

DS: He felt sort of sick the next day.

DT: How did he manage to swallow it?

DS: He was pretty loaded that night, he fell backwards off his chair when he was taking the last gulp. The chair went over backwards, and when he hit the ground, he gulped and swallowed the toe. Which is quite a feat by itself, I didn’t think it could be done.

DT: How many people have tried the Sourtoe Cocktail?

DS: 725.

DT: 725. What are you going to do that you have no toe?

DS: Well, we're going to put an ad out and see if we can get some toes. I made a promise if I haven’t got a toe by the 1^st of June next year, I’ll shoot my own off. I've never backed out on a dare yet. So I'm hoping to get some toes. I’m making a special trip outside this winter to make sure I got a toe. I don’t want to lose mine.

DT: Have you had any offers so far?

DS: A few tentative offers. I think we’ll get the toe alright.

DT: Are you going to insist the toe be shot off like the original one?

DS: No, as long as we got a toe.

JD: Yummy! From our archives, captain Dick Stevenson, inventor of Yukon's Sourtoe Cocktail, in conversation with former As It Happens host Dennis Trudeau in 1980. The Downtown Hotel in Dawson City still serves Mr. Stevenson’s digit-spiked drink. But on Monday, it did announce that the toe has been stolen, forcing it to use a backup. The hotel says it has a suspect in mind, whom it intends to fine and charge unless the tow is returned safe and sour.

Part 3: Hollywood money laundering, Phoenix plane heat

Valedictorian speech

JD: When Peter Butera was planning his high school valedictory speech, he had to have it approved by the school board beforehand. And so he did, he dutifully submitted his speech to the powers that be in Pennsylvania's Wyoming Area School District. They gave him the green light, but apparently the speech he delivered on Friday was not the speech that had been approved. Instead, Mr. Butera decided to take the opportunity to do something he knew would not have been approved beforehand: he offered a thoughtful criticism of the school administration… or at least he began and he proceeded, until they cut him off mid speech. But if the Wyoming Area School District was hoping to silence Mr. Butera the opposite has happened. After a video of that speech went viral on Twitter. Here's part of that video.

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PETER BUTERA: Throughout my time at Wyoming Area, I have pursued every leadership opportunity available to me. In addition to being a member of student council since I was a freshman, my classmates have also elected me class president the past four years, which has been my greatest honor, and I would like to thank you all for that one final time. It really means a lot. However, at our school, the title class president could more accurately be class party planner and student council’s main obligation is to paint signs every week. Despite some of the outstanding people in our school, the lack of a real student government combined with the authoritative attitude that a few teachers, administrators, and board members have prevents students from truly developing as leaders. Hopefully this will change.

[Sound: Microphone is cut and people boo.]

JD: Peter Butera, giving a valedictorian speech at the Wyoming Area School District in Pennsylvania on Friday. After he was cut off, Mr. Butera reacted. In a Facebook post, he wrote quote, “The last words I was able to say were hopefully this will change. By the administration cutting the microphone, they effectively said that they will not change and proved everything I had said in my speech to be true.” Unquote.

[Music: Cultural]

Hollywood money laundering

Guest: Greg Farrell

JD: It is not often that the U.S. Justice Department gets into the movie business, and that's likely a good thing. But right now, bizarre as it seems, it is seeking the rights to the films “Dumb and Dumber To”, and “Daddy's Home”. Not as you've likely guessed for artistic reasons. It is part of the department's efforts to seize assets in a widening corruption scandal. In addition to the rights to those films, the DOJ is also moving to seize a luxury yacht, a 22-carat diamond, and a Picasso owned by Leonardo DiCaprio. The actor has already returned another gift: an Oscar originally awarded to Marlon Brando. All of those assets, according to the DOJ, were paid for with billions of dollars that were illegally funneled from a Malaysian government development fund called One-M-D-B. Greg Ferrell is a reporter with Bloomberg. He has been covering this story. We reached him in New York.

CO: Greg, what does the U.S. government want with the rights to these two movies?

GREG FARRELL: It's not that the U.S. government is interested in the rights to these two movies in and of themselves. The U.S. government has taken a very aggressive position, starting a year ago and now updated last week, in going after what they believe are any assets that are derived from what they believe is ill gotten gains from money taken from a Malaysian investment fund that that they deemed to have been basically skimmed from the fund, and diverted to personal accounts and used to purchase luxury items, and in the case of these movies, used to finance several Hollywood films.

CO: And so “Dumb and Dumber To”, and “Daddy's Home” how did they get caught up in this case?

GF: The production company behind those movies is Red Granite Pictures. And if you recall, 11 months ago the Justice Department, among the many items that it tried to take back tracing funds to One-M-D-B were lots of you know expensive trophy real estate properties in Manhattan and in Beverly Hills, California. But also profits, royalties, and related to the “Wolf of Wall Street”, which had turned out to be a big hit from Red Granite Pictures. And as described by you know the government's court filing, some of the money from which was intended for One-M-D-B, and was siphoned off eventually found its way to read granted pictures.

CO: What is One-M-D-B and who owns it?

GF: One-M-D-B was designed to be advertised and advertised as an investment fund for the nation of Malaysia. And the idea was for this to be a government-sponsored or government-approved fund to buy and invest in large public projects that would benefit the Malaysian nation.

CO: And who is this man, Jho Low, who's supposed to be at the center of it all?

GF: Well, he is indeed the man at the middle of all this; a very intriguing guy with a colorful background. And he appears to have been, you know at least according to the Justice Department's filings last year and again last week, the mastermind or just the driving force behind the formation of One-M-D-B in 2009, and is believed to have helped coordinate a lot of the movements of money in the years after.

CO: And at what point and how has Jho Low and this fund crossed the line into something that the Justice Department of the United States is interested?

GF: I think has got on the radar screen of U.S. authorities about two years ago. There's a certain section of the Justice Department that that tracks like basically large expenditures of funds into things that could be used by you know people for money laundering. This is you know high-end real estate, fine art, diamonds and jewelry. Any time there's no purchases above a certain level you know at a certain magnitude of funds that does draw the attention often of the FBI.

CO: And so these movies are of interest, but all the other assets that they are looking to seize to describe some of them? You mentioned a few.

GF: Yes, well some of them as you know opulent jewelry. They're seeking a pink diamond necklace that supposedly was arranged for by a prominent Manhattan jeweler and then financed by Jho Low and given to the prime minister of Malaysia’s wife. Another trophy property this yacht called “Equanimity” that is valued at about $260 million. It has a helicopter pad, a splash pool, and a number of other plutocratic wealthy amenities that you wouldn't expect on just any old boat.

CO: And this all appears to have been purchased by Jho Low through this One-M-D-B fund. Do you have any idea how much all this is worth?

GF: Well they've given the prices on the individual assets they're going after. As I say, the yacht itself is about $260 million. Some of the jury was in tens of millions of dollars. A couple of pieces of fine art that were given to Leo DiCaprio, they have specific you know prices as well.

Co: A Picasso painting as well I understand.

GF: Yes, exactly.

CO: You just mentioned Leonardo DiCaprio. How does Leonardo DiCaprio get involved with all this?

GF: Well, he the star of the very successful movie “The Wolf of Wall Street”. And in some ways, this is not my beat, but it's an interesting insight into how Hollywood works. A small start-up studio gets an infusion of money and is able to fund a project by like a famous film director Martin Scorsese. You know it's not DiCaprio's job to find out where the financing comes from or who these people are. But you know some people come in with a lot of money. And I think as part of that part of the financing I think Jho Low and his coterie aggressively courted DiCaprio because they probably thought he could be of help to them. DiCaprio has you know his spokesperson issued a statement about how he was already in the process of giving back. You know as much of you know the art bust and the Marlon Brando Oscar you know as can be traced to this.

CO: It's ironic that the “Wolf of Wall Street” is involved in this. So is Jho Low charged with anything?

GF: No, this is an interesting legal case because the Justice Department has not charged anyone with a crime. This is a civil action in order to seize assets. But the conduct it lays out is like a blueprint for criminal charges. So that's a mystery is what the U.S. Justice Department's intent is? If they you know we'll get to a point where they do bring criminal charges. Now as a matter of practicality, Jho Low is not an American citizen, he's not been in the U.S. for an extended period, certainly not since early last year. And you know I wouldn't expect he’d be planning on coming here anytime soon given the level of interest the Justice Department has demonstrated in him and his conduct.

CO: All right, we will be following your coverage of this, Greg. Thank you.

GF: Thank you, Carol.

JD: Greg Farrell, is a reporter with Bloomberg News. We reached him in New York and we did reach out to Jho Low, we received this statement from his representative quote, “The U.S. Department of Justice's latest move continues its inappropriate efforts to seize assets despite not having proven that any improprieties have occurred. This week's activity from the DOJ is a further example of global overreach in pursuit of a deeply flawed case. We look forward to the court being presented with the actual facts, which demonstrate the DOJ case is completely without foundation.” unquote.

[Music: Cultural]

Miliband toilet

JD: Do you have a modern, dual-flush loo that doesn't do the business? And yearn for the return of the old-fashioned Victorian system? That is the question former Labor Party leader Ed Miliband asked BBC Radio 2 listeners this very morning. Not right away mind you. First, Mr. Miliband, who was sitting in for regular host Jeremy Vine, presided over a thirty-minute segment on Islamophobia and far-right extremism. Then, he started talking toilets. Now here at As It Happens, we recognize a hard pivot when we hear it. We have to admit Mr. Miliband handled the turn with grace, with poise, and the perfect Justin Timberlake interlude. And given the horrors of the UK news cycle lately, we do appreciate why listeners were eager to entertain his bit of lavatory levity. Well, after spirited arguments from a water conservation non-profit, and of course a British Toilet Association. Mr. Miliband heard from toilet aficionados longing for the bygone era of gold-leaf gilded, thunderbox thrones and iconic crappers systems. And then he started taking calls.

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ED MILIBRAND Now I'm also delighted to say that Matilda Sachiko from Brixton, South London has got in touch with us. I believe she actually has an old Victorian toilet. Matilda is that right?

MATHILDE SACHIKO: Yeah. We have two: we have an outdoor flusher and an indoor, so yeah.

Do you use the outdoor in the warm weather lately?

MS: Maybe, not really.

EM: Right. And tell us how have you come to have this old-fashioned thunderbox toilet?

MS: Well, it’s my parents at my parent's house. So they live in a Victorian house and it's got all the original period features.

EM: Right, and I think you're going to do a flush for us? We're going to compare it to the British Toilet Association modern flush to see if we can tell the difference.

MS: Modern loos like the glamour of what you're about to hear. So be ready.

[Sound: Flushing]

EM: You can’t argue with that, can you? I mean it may be wasting huge amounts of water, but it certainly makes a noise and it is certainly a real flush. But basically you're a satisfied customer with this old-fashioned one and you wouldn't change it?

MS: No, with this because it is so thunderous and effective no second flush is required if there happens to be an occasion where you need a second flush. You don’t with the old loos.

EM: No, no, it's emptying all the reservoirs right. Well listen, thank you so much for joining us Matilda. We’ve also got Jim Doyle on the phone. He's also got strong views on this topic, is that right Jim?

JIM DOYLE: Yeah, good morning, I have. I redid my house probably 10 years ago. And I fitted all these new toilets. And I'll tell you what? I’ve been in despair since. They don't hold enough water. I don’t know how to put it?

EM: Be tactful and diplomatic here.

JD: Yes, it takes three or four flushes to flush it away.

EM: I can only apologize to people eating their lunch at this moment.

JD: Yeah and then you flush again. You can flush up to three or four times. Now I complained like mad to supplier about this. And they sent me a toilet engineer down, believe it or not?

EM: Right.

JD: And the tests this man did, He tore 14 pieces of toilet paper — my paper — put it in the toilet.

EM: More than you might normally use.

JD: That's right. He flushed it and away it went. He said there's nothing wrong with that. I said hold on, 14 bits of paper does not weigh the same as.. you know what I`m trying to say.

EM: I do. I think we get your drift.

JD: It's rubbish. They do not save water at all. They do not flush. I’ve got three of them in my house. And it's the bane of my life.

EM: So basically if you can have the old Victorian ones back, you'd have it in a heartbeat.

JD: I would yes. Yes. Without a doubt.

EM: OK Jim, thank you so much for sharing in such detail your experiences. So here’s some music.

JD: That was Ed Miliband, speaking with BBC Radio 2 listeners about their favorite lavatory systems. The former Labor Party leader is filling in for host Jeremy Vine, and appears to have made a splash with his unique brand of toilet talk radio. Listeners took to Twitter to praise the segment after it aired this morning, and fellow politician and recent As It Happens guest Lord Buckethead tweeted quote, “When I am in power. I will legislate for Ed Miliband to have a radio show every day for the rest of his life, whether he wants one or not.”

[Music: Spanish guitar]

Phoenix plane heat

Guest: Patrick Smith

JD: Today's flight cancellations in Phoenix, Arizona may have seemed like head scratchers to you. The sky was blue, the cabin and the crew ready to go. There weren't any flight delays that anyone could tell. But outside Phoenix's International Airport, it was hot… really, really, hot. Arizona's capital hit a high of 48 degrees Celsius today. And that prompted American Airlines to cancel more than 40 flights. Patrick Smith is a pilot for a large commercial carrier that he would prefer not to identify. He also runs a blog called “Ask the Pilot”. We reached Patrick Smith in Boston.

CO: Patrick, as you know it is often very hot in Phoenix, so why did American Airlines cancel so many of their flights today?

PATRICK SMITH: Well, this happens from time to time periodically, but it is uncommon. Extreme heat affects planes in different ways. You first have aerodynamic implications, so hot air is less dense than cold air and wings do not produce as much lift. And that's compounded by the reduced engine output that's also a result of hotter air. Jet engines don't like hot, low density air any more than wings do and they don't perform as well. So together these two things mean higher takeoff and landing speeds, which in turn means you need longer runways for takeoff and landing, rates of climb are affected, and so on.

CO: They don't have those longer runways then?

PS: The situation will vary. It varies airport to airport, runway to runway, plane to plane. Whether or not you can take off or at what weight will vary. Often in hot weather, planes are weight restricted and aren't permitted to carry a full load of passengers or cargo. Being grounded outright is much more uncommon, but it does happen. On top of the aerodynamic factors that we just talked about you have I guess what you could describe as more tangible effects. That is the overheating of electronic components. Air conditioning in the cabin issues, brake and tire issues, and so forth.

CO: I mean is there any particular reason why this only certain aircraft seem to be canceled? American Airlines flights their accounts seem to be Bombardier aircrafts and not some of the others. Is there something wrong with those aircraft in specific?

PS: Well, I wouldn't say there's something wrong with them, but they are in whatever way more susceptible to a temperature restriction. It could have to do with the runway distance required or it could be something particular to a component on that plane. it's not necessarily fair in this conversation to compare a plane to plane. It's more situational varying with the exact temperature, the runway length, the aircraft engines, engine type, and so on. It can get pretty specific.

CO: So why a Boeing 737s still taking off?

PS: I mean some 737s can probably take off on some runways with a certain payload while others can't. Or there could be just an outright temperature restriction on that plane that Boeing applies say I don't know a hundred and twenty degrees above which you just can't go out.

CO: How often have you seen notices like American Airlines issued like the extreme heat warnings saying that it may affect upcoming travel. If your flights are scheduled between 3 p.m. and 6 p.m. in this week of June then you should probably find out if your flight is going to take off. How often have you seen some warning or an advisory like that?

SP: I don't remember seeing one. But again, these situations are uncommon. This pops up every couple of years maybe depending on where we're talking about. I think it stands to reason that as climate change exacerbates weather patterns and results in more severe weather events, including more extreme heat waves that we're going to see this happening more often. It'll vary region to region around the world. One of the places I think that it will be interesting to look at is the Middle East, in particular the Persian Gulf, where you have the big three Gulf carriers Qatar and Emirates, which by some measure is now the largest airline in the world. And these carriers are situated and have their hubs in what is already one of the hottest areas of the world and temperatures there are routinely above 100. And if they begin to creep higher than that regularly, these airlines have a lot to lose. And then that applies to the U.S. carriers in places like Phoenix and Las Vegas, where temperatures may be getting more extreme than they already are.

CO: And in those Persian Gulf countries are they already taking precautions? Are they shifting how they do their business?

SP: No, I don't see that yet. But meanwhile, modern aircraft even the latest ones that aren't necessarily designed with this problem in mind. So the future for a variety of reasons is going to be interesting.

CO: Well in your blog today you were writing that the data simply doesn't exist for planes flying in extreme heat. So when are we going to start seeing the actual data you need in order to do to accommodate climate change?

SP: It's not just about that. You can have the data, but the airplane still might not be able to fly because the heat overwhelms the aerodynamic necessities. Or you have onboard components that can't take the heat. Remember that an airplane is a complicated machine, and there are a lot of different components powering the different systems that already run at pretty high temperatures. And now you throw in triple-digit outside air temperatures and things start to break down.

CO: And can you see that that airlines and all kinds of players in this are going to have to find ways to adapt if they want to keep flying at the rate of flying?

SP: Yeah, I think that goes without saying. Of course these things are going to happen sporadically, periodically. And for the most part, just in certain areas. But it is something that airlines and we in general are going to have to reckon with in the future.

CO: Of course there are I'm sure those who would say that fewer flights fewer planes can take up because of the heat there are fewer CO2 emissions.

SP: That's one maybe kind of cynical way to look at it.

CO: All right, we'll leave it there, Patrick, thanks.

PS: Thank you.

JD: Patrick Smith is a pilot for a large commercial carrier, and he runs a blog called “Ask the Pilot”. We reached him in Boston.

[Music: Piano]

Math joke

JD: As It Happens prides itself on avoiding the formulaic, except when the formulaic is also hilarious. Yesterday on the program, we heard not one, but two math jokes. Anna Haensch, a math professor, told Carol about a sign she had seen in a sandwich shop that read quote, “Please refrain from discussing mathematics while waiting in line.” After she figured out why that sign had been posted, it turned out that one of her colleagues Dave, didn't order because he was too busy discussing math. Professor Haensch told a math joke. I was not smart enough to get her math joke. And then Carol responded.

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CO: Why do they never serve beer at a math party?

ANNA HAENSCH: Oh, because you shouldn't drink and derive.

CO: Got it!

AH: I know that one.

JD: Perfect joke, which I also didn't understand. And we know that at least one of you enjoyed it though because we got a call after that interview aired.

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[Sound: Phone beep]

SCOTT RHEINHARDT: Hi Carol and Jeff, It's Scott Rheinhardt from Kitchener. And I'm calling after the math professor at the deli and the subject of math jokes. So here's one for you. What do you call a snake that's 3.14m long? You ready for it? A python. Love the show.

JD: Thank you Scott from Kitchener for that prime joke. to share your own jokes or to comment on anything you hear on this program you can reach us on Twitter and Facebook. Both those accounts cbcasithappens. Our email is aih@cbc.ca. Or, like Scott did, give us a call: 416-205-5687.

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